Nick

No gays! And no coffee-drinkers!

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Ah yes, the old conundrum -- Jesus plainly says all have sinned, so repent for the Kingdom of God is near. He hung out with prostitutes and tax collectors, two very unsavory types of people. I know a few of both, and boy do i need some tolerance when interacting with them.

Yet the paradox is this: in Jesus' day they may have came as they were, but they didn't stay that way. If they spent any time with Jesus, they decided to take His advise and try to turn away from their sins. Jesus had compassion with the woman caught in adultery, but as He left the scene He also told her to go and sin no more.

I think the main problem here is two-fold. On the one hand, many Evangelical Christians, especially here in the States, are basically solidly middle-class, with middle-class moral norms and mores. After conversion, they just fold these moral judgments right into their Christianity, and there is no Christian teacher/preacher/evangelists/apostles who tells them different because of rampant incompetence when it comes to discipleship.

On the other hand, people, not just Christians, often will say "ewwww" when they think of gay sexual practices -- and not necessarily do the same when they think of a person lying or that see a person is over weight because they are gluttons. They have a little sympathy for liars, because if they're honest with themselves, they know the have been less than truthful, and for gluttons because who hasn't overate? But not everyone has committed sodomy on a semi-regular basis. Its easy, and wrong, for people to make this sin "worse" than others.

I myself agree with you -- Jesus is our example, and we shouldn't discriminate who we serve -- we should just serve and let God take care of any wrath the Bible says He pours out daily. All have sinned, and there isn't any sin, at least in God's eyes, that are not equally worth judging.

Self-righteousness is a dangerous attitude, and again you are right -- it is an attitude that Jesus had little patience with. Good post, Nick.
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Violent agreement here. As far as I can see, the radical outlook of Christianity is that none of us is any better than anyone else before God. We're all constitutionally alienated from our maker, and so to claim that certain behaviours can somehow make us more or less alienated isn't just bad theology; it's a denial that we're in the infinitely needy condition that the bible says we're all in.

That old life wherein we grade ourselves as better or worse than other people, occupying rungs on a moral ladder, is precisely the life that we die to when we become Christians; conversion starts with the declaration of moral bankruptcy that comes with comparing yourself against an absolute, not relative standard. True, some behaviours are better or worse than others on moral or practical grounds, but to raise a 'religious' objection to certain kinds of people is just anti-christian; it enforces the idea that God grades us on a curve, in competition with each other. But that's not how God thinks; it's how the world, with its 'good' and 'bad' people, thinks. Jesus burst that bubble when he chose the 'bad' people as his friends.

The bible makes it clear that we will be judged for our deeds, but it also makes clear that, before God, a hateful thought is a murder. On judgement day, we'll discover that we all needed exactly the same measure of mercy.

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Well written. Thanks

Cheers mate!

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